What a lousy crew. You want numbers?

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What a lousy crew. You want numbers?

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I thought Thornley was suppose to be the second coming of Jesus? Seriously I have never been impressed.

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The officiating tonight was an embarrassment to basketball. Cookie took a forearm shiver to the head going for a loose ball and got knocked down...no call. Velander got fouled on the three late...no call. There is no way that Nebraska out fouled KU today, but that's how the refs called it. Absolutely ridiculous. Nice win for KU and the referees.

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I admit I only saw bits and pieces of the 2nd half (had it on at work), but did they even call KU for a foul in the 2nd half other than the technical foul? It seemed like they shot a free throw every possession in the second half and about half of those were touch "fouls" at best on a lot of those and-1 plays.

Regardless, I'm proud of the effort the guys had, they could've not shown up at all thinking they didn't have a chance, but they played solidly tonight. We're getting there, I just hope Nebraska locks Doc up long-term, gets the practice facility and gets this thing rolling for good. Doc is a heck of a coach and I really hope the commitment to keep him here will be made from the administration.

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Norm Peterson wrote:

Hat tip to SDBen for getting us the names of the refs tonight. I found a site that sort of ranks the officials on a stat called "average home foul margin" and each of these 3 officials rank in the bottom 1/3 of all refs for calling more fouls against the visiting team than the home team.

Thornley is the worst, averaging 4.2 more calls against the visitors per game.

Davis is next at 3.41 more calls against the visitors per game.

And Self is "best" of the crew with a mere 2.51 more calls against the visitors per game.

Collectively, that crew accounts for 10.11 more calls against the visitors PER GAME, which corresponds with the free throw differential we saw tonight.

And of course that's just fouls. That says nothing about the uncalled stepping on the end line or the double dribble that wasn't called, etc.

I think it would be difficult to assemble a worse crew if you tried. All three in the bottom 1/3 of all officials. Good frickin grief.

Dammit, Norm don't disappoint me like that. When you ask if I want numbers, I assume you had phone numbers, social security numbers and even number of children the three "vermin" have from tonight's game. Never mind.

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cipsucks wrote:

Norm Peterson wrote:

Hat tip to SDBen for getting us the names of the refs tonight. I found a site that sort of ranks the officials on a stat called "average home foul margin" and each of these 3 officials rank in the bottom 1/3 of all refs for calling more fouls against the visiting team than the home team.

Thornley is the worst, averaging 4.2 more calls against the visitors per game.

Davis is next at 3.41 more calls against the visitors per game.

And Self is "best" of the crew with a mere 2.51 more calls against the visitors per game.

Collectively, that crew accounts for 10.11 more calls against the visitors PER GAME, which corresponds with the free throw differential we saw tonight.

And of course that's just fouls. That says nothing about the uncalled stepping on the end line or the double dribble that wasn't called, etc.

I think it would be difficult to assemble a worse crew if you tried. All three in the bottom 1/3 of all officials. Good frickin grief.

Dammit, Norm don't disappoint me like that. When you ask if I want numbers, I assume you had phone numbers, social security numbers and even number of children the three "vermin" have from tonight's game. Never mind.

Then this would be Sooner Hoops Central. aww

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oh no, one of the refs was the one who called travelling on Jay-R at the end of the Baylor game when his foot never left the ground. uh oh

http://www.journalstar.com/blog/huskers.php?title=sadler_livid&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#comments

-- Edited by nebrasketball at 22:40, 2008-03-14

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Glad Doc went and complained after the game, kind of wish he would've publicly bashed them as well. But at least it isn't just the fans thinking the refs sucked.

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More often than not, Thornley was the one who missed a lot of calls in the 2nd half..... he's the guy on the KU baseline who blew the baseline out of bounds & moments later called a phantom foul on Velander on a rebounding opportunity.

Sure seemed like a pathetic effort to 'assist' the "home" team... and, if any team needs an 'assist', it would most definitely not be KU.

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CameronKrazie86 wrote:

Glad Doc went and complained after the game, kind of wish he would've publicly bashed them as well. But at least it isn't just the fans thinking the refs sucked.

I'm not one who usually appreciates an unnecessary T on an NU coach, but I was kind of happy that Doc took that technical near the end for taking a stand for Paul.

Doc sure worked over these refs all night......... for good reason.

-- Edited by AuroranHusker at 23:49, 2008-03-14

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I get the feeling that Doc receives a technical only when he wants to get a technical to emphasize his point.

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Cip, LOL, that was awesome. I literally did laugh out loud.

I'll try to find that website again and post a link. It was pretty interesting. You could check any official. They had all 954 of them listed alphabetically and you'd click on their name and it would pull up a page with all the games the reffed in this year, the outcome, and the numbers of fouls called on each team. Then it gave some specific data on that particular ref like the average home margin.

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OK, here's the link. The name of the site is Basketball State and it has a directory of all the officials. I've taken you directly to the directory page. If you want to check out any official, just click on their name.

http://www.bbstate.com/officials.php?a=directory

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Aren't the personal foul stats the stats of the entire crew that they are part of in that game? For instance, one team gets 20 fouls, the other 25... it is reflected in that single ref's as a +5, and every other ref of that game. So then we look back at that game and at all three ref's stats... ref a reflects +5, ref B +5, and ref C +5. Together they were accountable for +5... not +15? Yeah, I don't know... I'm not sure, and I'm not sure why I'm nitpicking over this.

So I think saying that the entire crew is accountable for over 10 fouls more for the home than visiting team is misleading... I think it would be more of an average of their extra fouls... instead of adding them up, add them up and then divide by three. 4.2, 3.4, 2.51 =3.66 when those three are on the court.

Hey but that's just how I see the numbers... the fact of the matter is that the officiating was horrible last night, and a 3.66 margin for a crew of three is absolutely horrible... still.

and I could be completely wrong. Please don't hesitate to tell me so :) This is all off of just 5 minutes of looking at the officials stats.

It's amazing, these guys ref Big 10, MWC, etc... do those leagues complain as well?

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Sorry but I had to sign in and just comment how Sadler wanted his team to not back down and then complains about calls not going his way!? Was good coaching to spend the last few minutes staring down the officials? These sort of issues should be handled internally and not for the public.

I wonder how the next set of officials will respond?

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IamaNebraskan wrote:

Sorry but I had to sign in and just comment how Sadler wanted his team to not back down and then complains about calls not going his way!? Was good coaching to spend the last few minutes staring down the officials? These sort of issues should be handled internally and not for the public.

I wonder how the next set of officials will respond?

This is a serious question: Do you watch much college basketball?

I ask, because if one watches CBB closely, coaches 'work' the officials every game, and every coach sticks up for their own every time.

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AuroranHusker wrote:

IamaNebraskan wrote:

Sorry but I had to sign in and just comment how Sadler wanted his team to not back down and then complains about calls not going his way!? Was good coaching to spend the last few minutes staring down the officials? These sort of issues should be handled internally and not for the public.

I wonder how the next set of officials will respond?

This is a serious question: Do you watch much college basketball?

I ask, because if one watches CBB closely, coaches 'work' the officials every game, and every coach sticks up for their own every time.

Sadler respects his players and his players respect him. He is going to defend his players when they are getting obviously screwed. He had every right to complain last night, so many terrible calls and they were almost ALL in favor of the jayhawks. If we had Texas across the front of our jersey it would've been called much differently in the second half guarentee it.

Nebraska isn't a marquee team, therefore the big xii obviously wanted Kansas to keep there shot at getting a #1 seed by almost ultimately deciding the game with some of the absymal calls they made last night against the Skers'

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A coach defending their players? Absolutely! A coach talking with the officials? Absolutely!

Do officials walk in and said "Boy I am going to screw with so and so tonight", if so they will not be there long.

If have any knowledge of the politics involved in the college game, these things are handled behind the scenes and officials are reassigned to other games (Maybe) .

Sadler will win few close calls with these sort of antics. Let me know what call was decided in sker favor with him "working" the officials?

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IamaNebraskan wrote:

Let me know what call was decided in sker favor with him "working" the officials?

there was a foul called in the second half on Kansas that was bogus and an obvious make-up call for a possession earlier where NU got called for something terrible. It obviously resulted from Doc working the officials over that. Thanks for asking.

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Not the best officiating I've ever seen, but it couldn't have been worse.
They could have had Pac-10 officials doing the game.